Lean Startup “Marketing Bullshit”

by Giff on May 15, 2010

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Venture Hacks‘ daily email delivered an enjoyable post by Sean Fioritto called “Steve Blank is my hero“, exhorting the Hacker News readership to pay attention to Blank’s philosophies. Sean’s explanation of resistance jumped off the screen at me:

“if you can’t see through the halo of marketing bullshit to the nuggets of genius underneath…”

“I sometimes worry that the Hacker News crowd has their marketing bullshit filters turned up a little bit too high and they’re missing what I think is the beginning of a new wave of entrepreneurship.”

Sean points out something important, and he’s not the only one who worries about this issue. If I criticize Eric Ries for anything, it is for leading too often with technical topics of lesser importance in an effort not to lose all the engineers in the room to this knee-jerk “marketing bullshit filter”.

Well, let me get blunt here.

If that’s you, get off the engineering-purity high horse. Ignore marketing and customer development at your peril. An engineer starting a company is now a business person. Your startup won’t live or die based on whether you ship code once a day or once a week. It will live or die based on whether people actually give a damn about your product.

Crack jokes about MBAs all you want, but guess what, you are getting your own kind of MBA as well. You are just getting yours in the field, in a trial by fire, and you have a tenth of the time to learn. (no, I didn’t go to business school)

Marketing Bullshit?
Blank, Ries, McClure and Ellis are remarkable bullshit-free zones. There’s no talk of “tipping points” and “best of breed”. You don’t hear jargon like paradigm or maven. Lean startup is about validation, critical thinking, measurement, and speed — all while preserving vision. Where’s the BS?*

(*granted, the word “pivot” gets used nauseatingly often. A CEO sneezes and it’s called a pivot right now.)

I ask myself if perhaps this reaction is driven by fear. Fear of SALES. Many engineers start their career in organizations where sales is considered a demanding, unreasonable, ignorant, over-compensated enemy. We live in a culture which belittles sales. The word evokes connotations of manipulation, snake oil, and spin. Hell, the cheesy image at the top of this post was the top result for “salesman” on istockphoto. But that is not good sales — that is a *myth* about what “sales” means based on common bad experiences. The reality is that we are *all* salespeople, any time we want someone to do what we want them to do.

Don’t let your opinions be dominated by myths. There’s already too much bullshit myth-making around startups in general that leads people astray.

Lean Startup Early Adopters
Now, perhaps I’m reacting to a myth as well – a myth about a solid percentage of HN readers tuning this stuff out. Among folks I know, it is engineers and product managers who have embraced lean startup the most enthusiastically. I think it is easier for marketing and strategy folks to dismiss the conceptual framework as something they have always done, although that is usually a false assessment and a superficial reading of what lean startup is about.

Reaction Types
[On to a related but different topic...] When it comes to “lean startup” ideas, I see several types of negative reactions out there.

Anti-bandwagoners – They dislike the “born-again” enthusiasm, which is understandable, but overreact in their negativity. I say, you can better express your individuality by thinking through lean startup concepts with a clear, critical mind — neither fanboy nor dismissive.

Nitpickers – They spend more effort debunking the various “game-of-telephone” misinterpretations of “lean startup” in the blogosphere rather than seriously thinking through how the core ideas can impact their business. Or they get caught up in the words (lean vs fat) rather than true meaning.

Self-congratulators – They read lean startup concepts looking to pat themselves on the back about what they are doing right rather than harshly challenge themselves to figure out what they are doing wrong. I say, do the opposite: use lean startup concepts to gut-check where you might be screwing up. Get self-critical, not congratulatory! Death to complacency!

Originalists – They deride lean startup as something people have done for years, and so marginalize the movement. Originality is not the point. Helping more entrepreneurs be effective is the point.

Exceptionists – They think that naming a few examples of hit-and-hope startup successes debunks the whole conceptual framework. I say, isn’t it easier to acknowledge that customer development, faster cycle times, and rigorous validation just make common sense as good things?

Dogmatists – Rule makers or rule takers. The former want to define “lean startup” with precision and rules. The latter are desperate for a step-by-step rule book that guarantees success. Sorry, but life isn’t that easy. Lean startup ideas are a conceptual framework and you have to fit the ideas to your own context.

In Conclusion
I think Blank and Ries are preaching good stuff — stuff I wish I had fully comprehended 15 years ago. I doubt this post changes anyone’s mind, but I felt like writing it anyway. To anyone bullshit-filtering out the business side of lean startup ideas, I encourage you to bullshit-check yourself and your own myths and assumptions as well.

Previous posts by me on lean startup

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Addendum
Some comments on Hacker News related to this post point out that the buzzwords and probable growth of “scammy consultants” *does* create the need for a bullshit filter.  I don’t disagree that buzzwords exist like MVP or “product-market fit”, which serve as shorthand for concepts, but I stand by assertion that the authors I mention are remarkably practical and grounded.  I also agree that with the popularity of a movement will come negative side effects, but encourage folks not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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  • http://twitter.com/hnshah Hiten Shah

    120% in agreement with this post!

    Right on, Giff.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    thx Hiten – got long winded but I just had to say it.

  • http://twitter.com/vitalyg Vitaly M. Golomb

    Great post! There is a need for effective approaches on every side – engineering, biz dev etc. The “lean start-up” concept is engineering originated and hence bashes what it doesn't understand: marketing. There are equally insightful and valid perspectives on the marketing side. A successful startup will strive to gain advantage by utilize all available strategic tools for every aspects of their business.

  • http://StartupLessonsLearned.com Eric Ries

    Well said. Especially enjoyed the “reaction types” descriptions. I've met all of those folks in my travels :)

  • http://caterpillarcowboy.com dlifson

    So I met with Mark Suster a couple days ago and he called Customer Development “NorCal kool-aid”. He was not a fan of not building business plans, and instead pivoting until you find the right approach. He called that “intellectually lazy”. His reasoning for why it is valuable to build a business plan makes sense to me: to really know you have a scalable business model that solves a customer pain, you need to do the MBA-style homework of modeling your target customer's P&L / business and pinpoint exactly where you will provide dramatic value.

    To be honest, I think there is a middle ground here, where a founder should spend a few days or a week carefully understanding the entire value chain (the kinds of stuff you'd put in a business plan) as a way to validate the vision, but then use customer development methodologies to validate the execution of the vision.

  • Trainwreck

    Bullshit. Any post that spends more words categorizing people than solving a problem is just plain crap. Make your point and the provide a SOLUTION asshole. 90% of the above post is self serving slop that has not useful purpose in the effort to help people grasp the idea that startup – lean or not always means “You're in business now”…

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    I suspected I'd get a comment like this, and I don't disagree that I could have edited out the “reaction types” section. My point in this particular post wasn't to write about any problem/solution other than if entrepreneurs are rejecting lean startup ideas, it is worth a little self-examination as to why.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    I love Mark, and agree with his posts 99% of the time, but disagree with his reading of “lean startup”. That of course is a side effect of having such a loose framework. I think he is taking a few specific tactics and conflating that to mean “lean startup”, and I suspect that he and Blank/Ries would agree far more than disagree. He also hates the phrase “fail fast”, and I happen to share his distaste there.

    The things Mark things are important, I believe are entirely consistent with being a lean startup. They are a necessary part of understanding your business and validating your assumptions.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    Thank you Vitaly.

    I actually don't see “lean startup” as bashing anything but ivory-tower / insular startup approaches — certainly not marketing. Not does it bash vision — it keeps vision on a pedestal but demands rigor around putting that vision to the test.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    thanks Eric. Next morning, I accuse myself of getting a little uppity, but I really wanted to stress that an engineer turned entrepreneur can't afford engineer-only blinders.

  • http://www.startupbug.com/story/22898 startupbug.com

    Lean Startup “Marketing Bullshit”…

    Sean points out something important, and he’s not the only one who worries about this issue. If I criticize Eric Ries for anything, it is for leading too often with technical topics of lesser importance in an effort not to lose all the engineers in the…

  • knowledgenotebook

    Holly crap. oh I mean, good stuff: we're on the same page of the value of the lean start-up concept (LSC). sh?t: where's that category that goes like “ok, I'm totally for LSC and probably I was doing some of it… but I wish I knew more of it earlier… now I'm examining all of my key activities…”

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    that sounds familiar :) I was only listing out some negative reactions, not that categorizing people is a particularly useful activity. I don't blame “Trainwreck” for poking a sharp stick at me in the comments for it :)

  • http://christmasgorilla.com christmasgorilla

    Would be interesting to have Mark chime in on this more publicly. Giff, I'm with you. I think that it's easy to be lazy in any framework. Thinking that you can go off guns blazing into a market without understanding its key levers is stupid, regardless of how agile you are.

    I think the vision part of a lean startup requires you to understand the forces at play.

    Giff: David's comment about P&L and where to provide dramatic value is definitely something to consider in the modeling class. Ie: how do you understand your customer's business and are the key levers that drive your business congruent with your customers?

  • http://www.davidbinetti.com/ David Binetti

    I once put together a fabulous MBA-style plan that pinpointed exactly where I would provide dramatic value. I spent months on it. The plan won “best business plan” competition. I used it to raise money. Everyone thought it was brilliant (especially me.) Just one problem: it bore no semblance to reality. At all. I, and everyone who invested in/loved the plan, were simply wrong.

    I don't write plans any more — but not because I'm lazy. It's just because the chances that I can use the power of my intellect to create value is really really small. In fact, I'd go so far as to say those who do get it right the first time do so mostly due to random chance (broken clock right twice a day.) Instead, I create a rough framework of the value creation chain and test each component against market reality. I drink haughtily from this kool-aid.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    right — classic ROI analysis. Mapping out the financial benefits for a prospect is a great sales tool. Unfortunately, a huge amount of software has intangible returns, so this isn't a universally easy or compelling task.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    I think we're all talking about similar things, though there are probably lesser degrees of differences. Suster really talks more about creating a business model and financial model than the traditional dead-tree tome of a “business plan”.

  • http://twitter.com/markzohar Mark Zohar

    At the end of the day, this whole “lean start-up” approach is simply about common sense. Don't over-invest in unproven concepts. Don't create rigid structures that won't let you adapt quickly. Listen to your customers. Measure and report on your KPIs. Be open and agile. Rinse and repeat until you find a predictable, scalable business. Or not.

    The problems start when people interpret this approach as a way to start a business without a fairly rigorous analysis of the “why”, the “what” and the “how” of the business proposition (see: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_….) If your “business plan” is based on iterating and pivoting until you find success, then you are doomed from the outset. The lean start-up is not the hopeful start-up. It's grounded in analysis and research, fueled by agility and common sense and takes flight with passion and conviction.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    nice to hear from you Mark — been too long. Yes, I don't really subscribe to the “quick hit” approach of startups, i.e. throw up a landing page and if it explodes then go, if not, do something else. I think big ideas take more work, take more demand generation, take more time.

    “It's grounded in analysis and research, fueled by agility and common sense and takes flight with passion and conviction. “

    That's a nice turn of phrase :)

  • John Miller

    Ha ha ha Ries, Ellis and the rest of the lean startup guys is like the DEFINITION of marketing bullshit

  • http://twitter.com/asmartbear Jason Cohen

    I love hearing about lean and I agree the *usual* marketing/business BS is freshingly absent.

    However it's equally wrong to say it's all flowers and sausages. For example, there's few examples of successful companies who practice as severe a form of lean as is espoused. I constantly hear about IMVU, but almost never anyone else.

    The few other companies who say they do this 100% are either too young to declare victory or are actually not doing that well.

    I haven't seen any evidence that “lean” style startups have a better success rate than anything else. If there were, some VCs would be arbitraging right?

    One argument against myself is that it's too soon to know, but still, it's not “case closed.”

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    my first reaction to your note, Jason, is to wonder how radically different our interpretations of “lean startup” are. nnI view it as a de-bullshit-izing of startups. I’ve unfortunately been in too many startups led by a charismatic founder who made the VCs drool, and who then plunged large teams off a cliff because they drank their own kool-aid (and frankly, it’s hard to seduce cycnical VCs if you don’t drink your own kool-aid).nnI know for a fact that the influence of lean startup ideas has helped my current startup effort move faster and smarter. If my particular business failed, it certainly won’t be “lean startup” to blame.nnI think there have been many successful startups that have followed ideas now lumped under “lean startup”. The fact that those startups didn’t call it lean startup is neither here nor there. What is relevant is pulling together good ideas into something new entrepreneurs can learn from and possibly avoid some mistakes that happen in our field over and over and over again.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    my first reaction to your note, Jason, is to wonder how radically different our interpretations of “lean startup” are.

    I view it as a de-bullshit-izing of startups. I've unfortunately been in too many startups led by a charismatic founder who made the VCs drool, and who then plunged large teams off a cliff because they drank their own kool-aid (and frankly, it's hard to seduce cycnical VCs if you don't drink your own kool-aid).

    I know for a fact that the influence of lean startup ideas has helped my current startup effort move faster and smarter. If my particular business failed, it certainly won't be “lean startup” to blame.

    I think there have been many successful startups that have followed ideas now lumped under “lean startup”. The fact that those startups didn't call it lean startup is neither here nor there. What is relevant is pulling together good ideas into something new entrepreneurs can learn from and possibly avoid some mistakes that happen in our field over and over and over again.

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