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	<title>Comments on: So you want to work for a startup? (the first job to seek for non-coder aspiring entrepreneurs)</title>
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		<title>By: Can business schools teach entrepreneurship? — giffconstable.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can business schools teach entrepreneurship? — giffconstable.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: giffc</title>
		<link>http://giffconstable.com/2009/11/so-you-want-to-work-for-a-startup-the-first-job-to-seek-for-non-coder-aspiring-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you enjoyed it.  I do think sales and marketing are quite different -- the goal of more customers is the same but approach and daily work is quite different.  I respect both roles a great deal. Every startup needs to decide on its own required ratio of sales vs marketing depending on go-to-market strategy.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I disagree about needing all technical co-founders, perhaps not surprisingly.  I think it is true if you have an extremely technical sale targeting technical people, but not so if you are selling an application that solves a business or consumer problem.  You do need your non-programmer founder to be very fluent in technical issues and development processes, but they don&#039;t have to be a great programmer.  I do agree that in the very early stages of prototyping and iterating, you don&#039;t usually need more than one business person, although there are exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you enjoyed it.  I do think sales and marketing are quite different &#8212; the goal of more customers is the same but approach and daily work is quite different.  I respect both roles a great deal. Every startup needs to decide on its own required ratio of sales vs marketing depending on go-to-market strategy.  </p>
<p>I disagree about needing all technical co-founders, perhaps not surprisingly.  I think it is true if you have an extremely technical sale targeting technical people, but not so if you are selling an application that solves a business or consumer problem.  You do need your non-programmer founder to be very fluent in technical issues and development processes, but they don&#39;t have to be a great programmer.  I do agree that in the very early stages of prototyping and iterating, you don&#39;t usually need more than one business person, although there are exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: giffc</title>
		<link>http://giffconstable.com/2009/11/so-you-want-to-work-for-a-startup-the-first-job-to-seek-for-non-coder-aspiring-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>giffc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you enjoyed it.  I do think sales and marketing are quite different -- the goal of more customers is the same but approach and daily work is quite different.  I respect both roles a great deal. Every startup needs to decide on its own required ratio of sales vs marketing depending on go-to-market strategy.  rnrnI disagree about needing all technical co-founders, perhaps not surprisingly.  I think it is true if you have an extremely technical sale targeting technical people, but not so if you are selling an application that solves a business or consumer problem.  You do need your non-programmer founder to be very fluent in technical issues and development processes, but they don&#039;t have to be a great programmer.  I do agree that in the very early stages of prototyping and iterating, you don&#039;t usually need more than one business person, although there are exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you enjoyed it.  I do think sales and marketing are quite different &#8212; the goal of more customers is the same but approach and daily work is quite different.  I respect both roles a great deal. Every startup needs to decide on its own required ratio of sales vs marketing depending on go-to-market strategy.  rnrnI disagree about needing all technical co-founders, perhaps not surprisingly.  I think it is true if you have an extremely technical sale targeting technical people, but not so if you are selling an application that solves a business or consumer problem.  You do need your non-programmer founder to be very fluent in technical issues and development processes, but they don&#8217;t have to be a great programmer.  I do agree that in the very early stages of prototyping and iterating, you don&#8217;t usually need more than one business person, although there are exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: dennykmiu</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice article, really enjoy it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My son once asked me, &quot;What&#039;s the difference between sales and marketing?&quot; to which I answered, &quot;In a startup, they are both sales, one sell shit that you don&#039;t have.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First of all, I prefer that all my co-Founders to have technical background (even self-taught), but their contribution might not be engineering. Some of them need to be in sales (i.e., sales development). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But how do you sell when you don&#039;t even have a product? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a startup we never sell product, we sell solution. And solution exists from day one. If you are not convinced that the solution exists, then you cannot convince your customers.  But if you do, then you can start selling (the idea) even if the product doesn&#039;t exist (yet). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And sell you must. You sell to your customers, your early employees, your vendors, and potential angel investors. You just keep selling, especially on shit that you don&#039;t have.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.StartupForLess.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.StartupForLess.org&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice article, really enjoy it.</p>
<p>My son once asked me, &#8220;What&#39;s the difference between sales and marketing?&#8221; to which I answered, &#8220;In a startup, they are both sales, one sell shit that you don&#39;t have.&#8221; </p>
<p>First of all, I prefer that all my co-Founders to have technical background (even self-taught), but their contribution might not be engineering. Some of them need to be in sales (i.e., sales development). </p>
<p>But how do you sell when you don&#39;t even have a product? </p>
<p>In a startup we never sell product, we sell solution. And solution exists from day one. If you are not convinced that the solution exists, then you cannot convince your customers.  But if you do, then you can start selling (the idea) even if the product doesn&#39;t exist (yet). </p>
<p>And sell you must. You sell to your customers, your early employees, your vendors, and potential angel investors. You just keep selling, especially on shit that you don&#39;t have.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.StartupForLess.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.StartupForLess.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Friday Linky Love &#124; Small Hands, Big Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Linky Love &#124; Small Hands, Big Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: evreeland</title>
		<link>http://giffconstable.com/2009/11/so-you-want-to-work-for-a-startup-the-first-job-to-seek-for-non-coder-aspiring-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>evreeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice when I got in person and just as good in blog format.  Now I can just send my friends the link instead of trying to share your thoughts by memory.  Thanks a lot Giff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice when I got in person and just as good in blog format.  Now I can just send my friends the link instead of trying to share your thoughts by memory.  Thanks a lot Giff.</p>
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		<title>By: giffc</title>
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		<dc:creator>giffc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello Megadovely! you know the importance I give to good UI design and production art, but in this case I was writing from the perspective of a liberal arts grad who dreamed of starting and leading a company someday soon, as I did at that age!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello Megadovely! you know the importance I give to good UI design and production art, but in this case I was writing from the perspective of a liberal arts grad who dreamed of starting and leading a company someday soon, as I did at that age!</p>
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		<title>By: Giff</title>
		<link>http://giffconstable.com/2009/11/so-you-want-to-work-for-a-startup-the-first-job-to-seek-for-non-coder-aspiring-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Giff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol not at all MegaDovely! You know the respect I hold for designers and the value I give to good UI design and art execution -- but I was writing this from the perspective of a liberal arts grad who dreamed of starting and being CEO of a startup!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol not at all MegaDovely! You know the respect I hold for designers and the value I give to good UI design and art execution &#8212; but I was writing this from the perspective of a liberal arts grad who dreamed of starting and being CEO of a startup!</p>
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		<title>By: dovely</title>
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		<dc:creator>dovely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what, are artists chopped liver? ;) &lt;br&gt;-the doveliest dove in or out of bklyn</description>
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